I am firm in my belief that God is still doing wonderful and miraculous things today. They weren't shy Mark, yes, some of the Sola Scriptura folk are Calvinist and/or Cessationists. (Not saying you are, I dont know you.) I think of St Pauls writings about spiritual milk and solid food. It is an out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. Knowing Christ and Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. Sometimes HE is hidden even within the church, but a heart that truly desires TRUTH and real intimacy with the Spirit will find it just as you have because God has said so! Many, but not all, of these, are members of the Pentecostal Alliance of Independent Churches, which was founded in 2001. The worship time was powerful and emotional but strangely empty for me. At other times, I wondered if the supposed recipients of the healings had I questioned why we did certain things during mass but i was usually given an answer that didnt relate back to the bible. Confess with your mouth and believe with your heart, which will result in fruit. I could not take it anymore and had to leave. And shame on them for not doing so. Thank you for sharing. As stated in previous posts, I believe that God speaks but if you have a word it better not go against His Word. There are days that I feel extremely frustrated, angry and then there are days that Im OK and thats just a part of healing from being in a radical fridge movement. In my mind, God was now But, I want to be open to things that will challenge me and stretch my faith. If you say u belong to Christ and i belong to christ it means we are connected nomatter where u live, which church you belong to. The Catholic Church in effect falters when her members fall short of what they should be doing and believing. So you could say I became a little pentecostal. The Lord's church dates back to 33 AD when the 12 disciples received the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit." weak, but I dreamt about having "faith to move mountains." 2. This tragic epidemic in church that makes superstars out of ministers and puts in the hearts of young people that having a platform and being a worship leader is the pinnacle ofholiness;it is a sickness andcompletelybiblical. My desire was balance and discernment. This is without doubt the main Its about praising Him, giving thanks to Him, and rejoicing in the hope/ assurance of our salvation through Jesus life, sacrifice and resurrection power, and desiring to walk ever closer with Him to know Him better and to bring glory to His name. We should actually share deep stuff adn walk this road together but the system does not allow us to grow closer to Eachother. Search the scriptures and you will find Him there. (LogOut/ This is my story! You were right for leaving as Matthew 7:13,14 shows that few are finding the cramped road leading to everlasting life. It is important never to throw out the baby with the bathwater. These men prophesy lies and the people imagine vain things. Im not sure if I meant to post under your specific comment. Afterwards, I sat in the cafe. There was constant talk of apostles and prophets that God was raising up in these last days. I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame.As I shared the incident with other believers in righteousoutrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. And trust me I have had my share. The deception is so clear nowit upsets me to see so many still trapped in this, and unwilling to see the truth! It was completely different from my previous church. The knowledge of speaking in tongues is something I acquired from my Apostolic family members, but it makes me wonder why I've never heard anyone in my southern baptist church speak it? But that night never Romans 3:20-22 KJV Cheryl is this question for me or the lady who wrote this article? I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear What was claimed for the great Why claim that there is some light in darkness when we know better. They can become convoluted, because of that I cannot be sure that they are a definite dream/vision/direction from God so I simply stick to the scriptures no matter what dream/vision I have or how in line it may appear. I spent months alone, laying on the floor, broken, fasting, praying, weeping, calling out to God. Consider Zachariah in the temple in the presence of Gabriel. We studied the bible and i heard and saw we are Gods family; brothers and sisters. God used this time to begin opening my eyes to the truth. They love the Christian hype, self-importance of ministry, their calling, and their own desires. Follow the crowd? Why I Left The Pentecostal Movement: Exposing Corruption Within The Pentecostal Movement Kindle Edition by Von Hanshaw (Editor) Format: Kindle Edition 7 ratings Kindle $0.00 Read with Kindle Unlimited to also enjoy access to over 1 million more titles $2.99 to buy Mike bickle said that prophets were operating at at 70-80% accuracy rate? After many struggles in high school and going down the path of heavy drug use, I ended up in trouble with the law and found myself bewildered and sitting in jail. We had a great pastor. I read news papers from which the Lord calls me to pray, I hear people talk and get involved in chats. that I was gone. Please ! I attend a Pentecostal church after leaving the Catholic church. It might take time, after three years I am still waiting for directions, but it doesnt matter. First of all, Jesus cast out those kind of spirits and sent them back to hell from whence they came. When I reached that point for the first time, I was discouraged but instead of walking away, I If you were Pentecostal at one time in your life, why did you leave it? It is a righteous holy anger at how God is treated like a customer service agent and more. The UMC denomination is in the battle of its life over the perversion infiltrating their churches. Im trying to to be patient with myself but I certainly have latent anger and questions. What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? No thinking Christian could or should attempt to dispute them. Which is why he is forced to accept the workings of the Holy Spirit in scripture, those strange goings which opponents thought were of the devil or threatened their own religious viewpoints. How clear the repetitive cycle in which I was in much like a Merry-go-round.We were conference junkies, just looking for the next spiritual high(like a drug) Sadly, you always need more, the spiritual high never last long enough. Staying connected to the I look back and I remember being distracted/overwhelmed by loud music and all the shouting in my church. Cars were always in the parking lot. This was a result of the fulfillment of the promise Jesus gave to So that is why I'm going to recommend some reading that will surely help you in your quest to find your faith again. on the worship team. Hence the pot calling the kettle black. John MacArthur is a committed Calvinist who vehemently holds to the cessationist view. http://bible.com/1/rom.3.20-22.kjv, Galatians 2: thank you so much. It was not easy leaving, and it took me years, but I'm finally free. Absolutely not. Were sinners and flawed human beings just as all Protestants and Orthodox are. Then we wouldnt be surprised by things happening around us. I believe in Prophesying but not Propha-lying! Ive gone though many different emotions over it. being: God loved me, God didn't want anything bad to happen to me, and God would protect me Obvious lie according to scripture. Over time and with the opportunity of hindsight, I was gullible. Should Christians live the gospel? Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is a text widget, which allows you to add text or HTML to your sidebar. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. Long story short, my life was turned completely around. I am fairly new at all this and since attending I have been better able to handle my difficult relationships by showing mercy. I hope this encourages anyone that has been disillusioned by the Pentecostal Churches of today and that you will not lose your faith but seek out a place of believers where you are more comfortable and once again enjoy the fellowship of the Spirit of Truth. You may email me on lazchetty@gmail.com. He has never spoken in tongues, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is working in him and through him. And we will know God and worship him in Spirit and in truth. The Bible teaches no such thing. When I held up the teachings of the Bible to their teachings it simply could not stand. A God-fearing church. - Prophets, fanatics, or heretics? Thankyou to those who put Jesus first and do the job the Lord has called them to! It sees this gratitude as humiliating and oppressive. Its one thing to interpret something different, its another to completely twist the word of God into the opposite of what it says and thats what theyre doing. Why are we putting a title and saying sr. joanne, br. I looked so holy Im sure in my Sunday best. to try to direct the personal lives of the congregation. We must be RESTORED to Gods Intelligent Design for the form and function of the Body of Christ. I will be agreeing in prayer with you Brother that God would heal any damage done by this Church and that He would guide you and your family where you need to be. ADOS). Is that all it takes?. Sorry. Due to their extreme legalism I felt that I was not getting the true message of the gospel, but instead indoctrinated by man-made rules. Finally I had a dream being locked inside a glass building and when I woke up that morning I knew it was time I havent looked back. Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The irony is that my journey took me in the opposite direction. As I was screaming my babblingprayers and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say? I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. That was rough after coming from a church where relationships were so central to church life. When the Word and the Holy Spirit are manifested in a service, keep this in mind: true preaching will always exalt Christ and His teaching (Jn5:39) and, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit will always point to Jesus (Jn16:13,14). A short article explains that can be found here: http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/02/26/greater-works-than-these-shall-he-us-do-what-is-the-meaning-of-this-scripture. If all forsake Christ what are you going to do? Going to church every sunday, praise and worship, listen to a scripture and go home again. Just wondering. Jesus Christ is the Cornerstone that holds the structure altogether. The charismatic movement of the past quarter-century has made an impact on the church unparalleled in history. Today I don't believe tongue speaking to hold any real value for the benefit of believers or non-believers. I often misquoted and took Martin Luther King out of context because, well, it fitted my situation; Free at last. What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and delusion. Whilst I agree there are too many excesses in the Charismatic movement, I dont subscribe to cessationist views. In Acts the believers were connected to eachother. It's a historic day. Im excited to read your testimony and I know how it feels. I began to wonder if the things I had loved about my previous church were inextricably connected to the things that I As my husband and I have grown in sound doctrine over the years a true love for teaching Gods precious word has emerged. I have been raised a Seventh Day Adventist all of my life. The truth of the matter is most cannot discern for themselves because they lack true biblical knowledge. Im so sorry to hear about your experience. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible. We do not want to be weighed and found guilty of teaching anything not up to his standard or a loose doctrine full of holes. God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. Galatians 3:1-3 KJV I simplify, of course. Yeah, I find that statement overused and an oversimplification of the real issues. Its just that the leaders of Vineyard Anaheim believe that God is guiding them to leave the denomination their church helped start. Youre right when you say music has become more influential than Gods word. They welcomed the Holy Spirit. Or what denomination etc do you congregate with? That, in turn, just re-enforced the idea that I was doing something wrong. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. Romans 2: Yes YESHUA MAKES IT POSSIBLE- SHALOM SISTER. This I know, God WILL lead me and He is my light and my salvation worthy of ALL honor and praise-not just on Sunday, not just when people can see me doing it, but every day as my life belongs to Him-for I am a bondservant of Christ! Going to the doctor was an acceptable "last resort" God bless! So I always preach expositionally just like Dallas Theological Seminary taught me too. Some followers of Christ have very effective ministries and dont even know they are using His gifts, which is not necessarily a bad thing they are lovingly following and obeying Him, which is all that matters. There is too much emphasis on business pragmatics, with marketing, with church growth movements, with self-help emphasis in churches today. The highs were tremendous, but the lows were horrible. Through the years I didnt buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didnt think it was hurting anyone. Making my way up a second time and the same thing happened again! Another lady received a prophecy at the age of 38 saying she was to have a child out of her womb, she was now 52 and could not understand what was going on. His word is the Truth. I longed to be closer to God. Sounds to me like you were victim of the Pathetic and Propha-lying. Pray continually! It sounds good but not God is the way I would describe it. the faith. Now, I agree 100% that true Biblical teaching will not contradict the Word of God. This movement.it destroys. Your wife was decieved by a cult. you "talked the talk" long enough, you'd "walk the walk" eventually. In fact many things began to bother me in this chaotic movement. We were all conference junkies running to whatever new move of God Charisma magazine was publishing that month. church and if I left, I would be hurting the work of God and forcing others to pick up the slack. People would naturally You must log in or register to reply here. If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. A friend of mine at the time had mental health issues (whacky backy didnt help) and was advised to leave the Charismatic movement and find a quieter faith, one which does not put so much emphasis on experience and challenge of the human condition. God was treated like a genie in a bottle many times in church services. ways to leave my church: in a conflict or in a coffin. You did an excellent job of pointing out many of the outrageous and even criminal acts and errors of these false teachers.yet so few want to hear it. It was a high. Chic-fil-a sauce, Wendys sauce, McDonalds special Big Mac sauce. It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. If you're not blessed, not protected, or not Pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you Jesus said. YMMV, What a wonderful summary of how God has been leading you into His truth and light. That is kind of how I ended up at this church after leaving the Catholic church (with my dads old group from when I was a kid-same group that left the original church to the one we are at now). hated. Many in the congregation go to and from Bethel. I hope you find it helpful and the link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9ELq9TD08. new city and new speaker, I hoped that maybe this would be "my night." I could have written every word. Change). Somehow, it all seemed so cheap and plastic now. We are sinful, arrogant and yes, full of pride. Thank you, thank you, thank you! So, corruption is not just in the Pentecostal circles. I'm drawn to apostolic preaching on the internet but I've never stepped in a pentacostal church. Feelings were important. In the end, it is always the misinterpretation of the Bible. The fact is, we need to be Bible-based and not blown about by every wind of doctrine. However truth be told, Gods inspired, holy word really does satisfy a thirsty soul. This is the beginning of a wonderful journey. In fact they generally condemn everyone who disagrees with them. I just left the same ungodly situation three weeks ago, so I praise God that you did also. I feel fortunate that every teaching from the pulpit, and Sabbath school, was straight from the bible and cross referencing scriptures according to the lesson we were studying. I have seen false prophetic words destroy peoples lives. I live in a small town called wolseley. They reminded me of all the mistakes I had made during my time at the church and they didn't have to exaggerate, Those who claim to be exposing false teaching need to make sure their doctrine is right before judging someone else. There must be some Romans 1:16 KJV If it had been left to me Id have given up after a day or so. If you didn't feel anything, someone would be But these days if you are not in the same church you dont really belong to me. Maybe that's why I felt like I was further away from God at this point in time Im glad that God opened your eyes too. We are actually eternal family. I know a Reformed Pastor who claimed Jesus was coming on a certain date and Jesus never came. When we make sure we are doing the right thing, we wont have so much time finding people who do the wrong thing. 5:7 we are to live by faith and not by sight. One woman who claimed to be an evangelist was leading those meetings, and I remember her stopping, and with an evil laugh said Oh Lord, please keep it clean as if the Holy Spirit would ever make people do something unclean! I've also been to quite a few services at a couple of different Apostolic churches. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. The Rise of Hindu Nationalist Politics and Violence against Christians, 1996-present: Like many others, I joined because I was looking for something -- I wanted to be in a church that As I sat in church all these years I couldnt help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing Gods work. I am wondering about some of this relating to my own journey, and Im just wondering, did you stop attending church of any kind? I see now I was very wrong. I was involved in a legalistic, non denominational charismatic assembly back in the 80s when I was a young adult. The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in. It sounds so Godly no one has stopped to examine weather it linesup with doctrine. There is no Scriptural reference to any New Testament employment in the Gospel. I chose to flee a burning building. I aint in apathy (sorry for my Southern-ese). Turned away from the Torah(instructions), laws and commandments and have become pagan with all Also, context is key with a lot of scripture, as is language. ABBA FATHER has led me back to HIS COMPLETE WORD. Thank you for the oppertunity to share and to see that there are quite a number of people in the same boat as I! Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit and He would bring us into all truth and bring things to remembrance of what Christ has said in His Word (Jn 14:26). Rejoice always! Paul wrote to all the believers in one town. I am happy for you and He will keep through everything. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. Besides, I was serving in the You didn't dare The pastor was insecure and I realised that many in church leadership are the same. it will disturb you and send you sounding the alarm. When prophesies and words of knowledge didnt come to pass, it was blamed on some great sin in our family. The deception runs deep and is becoming alarmingly subtle. Since the Garden of Eden, the Devil has been on a campaign to twist God's Word. church, most of the staff and a significant percentage of the congregation left & were replaced by others. 10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. I dont know much about other denominations, I can only speak for the one I was in. FYI, t-shirts are not sold at Judys or Ricks place. Let me give you my email address as well What is happening in our church assemblies is quite sad. always meetings and programs -- yet was difficult to build relationships. WebLeaving an unhealthy church. It was a process to leave my former church and begin attending the new church regularly. I just cant believe this is God. Maybe I wasn't listening to the right music. Thank you for sharing yours and please post it to your Facebook as well. having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? elaborate sets to enhance the services. Let us pray that many will read your post and see the lies, the great deception which has settled upon the church in this last hour. We were never supposed to stop following TORAH(HIS instructions), remembering SHABBAT and observing the feasts. This book tackles such questions as - Is experience a valid test of truth? It does not state that if you dont speak in tongues you are going to hell. Secondly, the power of God, is not anything that makes us look like Herod and great men of faith. Thanks. That is why we need to be careful and use discernment and not throw the baby with the bathwater. They cooperated with other churches to organize big events in Amen to that, Michael. WebThe Swedish Pentecostal Movement (Swedish: Pingstrrelsen i Sverige) is a Pentecostal movement in Sweden. church was all that mattered. They exchange the truth of God with lies, and they love those lies because they flatter and promise material blessings which only seem to come to the leaders. He didnt put them in people. Why wear formal clothing when we meet cause if we are family that means we should be ourselves with eachother. They will turn on you like wolves if you dare speak outagainst their superstar ministers.You will be harshly snubbed. Some who leave dont go to No, I dont blame you at all for leaving that stuff. While I reject the label charismatic, Im still a continuationist, and I wish more who believe in the Biblical gifts would call out the unbiblical extremes like being drunk in the spirit. also wondered about "prophetic words" that seemed to contradict eachother and even contradict the To tell someone they dont have the Holy Ghost if they dont speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. God bless you for writing your testimony. tous les jours chestnut bread calories. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. It was then that I truly knew God was real to me. One bride, one body of Christ. More and more of what were called miracles just started to seem fake. Nothing spectacular had happened to me in the meeting to me, nothing had really changed since I last went to church except this time there wasnt the Toronto type manifestations. I got over 1000 shares on fb alone even though I only got a few likes, so you truly never know who needs to hear it. We just had to always speak faith filled words, and not doubt. Our role is to draw people to Jesus . He said prophecy was. http://bible.com/1/gal.3.1-3.kjv, Juanita, I would invite you to watch the first 21 minutes of this talk I gave last year and in this portion I address the subject of Seventh-day Adventism. And you will make a difference for good in the kingdom of God. 32 And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free. Hi Dave, I found when I left the traditional church, i did not immediately join another church. I begrudgingly turned round. That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to study and learn Scripture. Cry out to Jesus and repent for He is a God of restoration and will be a present help in your time of need. If I told my staff to obey me or a curse would come upon them yet the church operates differently. Please head to the nearest deliverance minister and get that religious spirit cast out of you. They had a lot of positive press coverage. In fact, things just kept getting worse there. God bless https://youtu.be/sJDgZg7H35c. Take note: solitary, not alone. You are NOT alone and as deception continues to increase in Churches, God will bring more out. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? It will be in Bangkok mid January and it would be good if we could meet to discuss future placements in Thailand. My point was that it is wrong to condemn the entire Pentecostal and Charismatic Movement just because if some bad apples in it. Whether you want to join a religion again or just study on your own, at least youll receive bible truth. Edit them in the Widget section of the, Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement, https://www.gty.org/Resources/strangefire/messages, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9ELq9TD08, http://www.takeheed.info/pdf/March-2014/The-Great-Controversy.pdf. Webwe should all care about the existence of objective, absolute truth because it fits logically with reality. I went in for 15 years and I now too am about to turn 40 and Im angry I was so deceived. I dont believe any preacher should own five or six houses and have a private jet. I had a lot to think about and I knew I absolutely had to get back to God. Neither do I. I feel I made that clear in the conclusion. I read most of the Old Testament but always got stuck in the book of Jerimiah. healing. I love Torah , love Sabbath worship and only He is Glorified.
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